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Dec 28, 2021

Market consultants sometimes struggle to consistently meet expectations. Maybe it’s because they offer too many services in too many areas of expertise. The lack of focus leads to less differentiation in the crowded market and inability to set premium prices.

Today’s guest is Max Traylor, author of the Agency Survival Guide. Max talks about how consultants and agencies can avoid pitfalls by productizing their services. Get paid on perceived value.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Productized Consulting Services: Powerful way to package and sell services
  • Productization: Means doing things in steps for marketing and sales consulting
  • Consultants and Agencies: Consistency is not their middle name
  • Results: Quality of work, mental health, business impact, price premiums suffer
  • Strategy Over Implementation Services: Charge whatever, as much as you want
  • Sans Management: Make more money with less effort via strategic focus
  • Why productized approach? People experience two different sides of a business
  • Limiting Belief: Doing of things out of fear and hunger gets marketers paid
  • Imposter Syndrome: Are you good enough to sell your knowledge and process?
  • Get Started: Charge for proposals to accelerate experience charging for strategy
  • Advice: You can sell everything to anyone if you try 5 times; no need to be good
  • Ideal Client: Who are you talking to and will pay most for what you’re good at
  • Fulfillment: Limit sacrifices, simplify business by selling less, contributing more

 

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Quotes from Max Traylor:

“You use the same things and you go through the same steps so that you can set and meet expectations every time.”

“If there’s no consistency in what you do, you don’t experience price premiums. You’re never known for that one thing.”

“We spend a lot of time developing self-worth and an attachment to the thing that we’re doing.”

“Fill your calendar with conversations with people that will pay you the most for the thing that you are uniquely good at.”

Dec 21, 2021

Freelance writers know that getting paid can be difficult, and managers of freelance writers know why processing those payments is difficult to get paid on time or at all. Some companies don’t have simple invoicing systems or solutions for fixing what’s wrong with their invoicing processes.

Today’s guest is Matt Saincome, Co-Founder and CEO of OutVoice and The Hard Times. OutVoice is a freelancer/writer invoicing platform that pays them with one click. Matt explains how to fix invoicing issues and get freelance writers paid on time.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Payment Problem: There has got to be a better way, and now there is one
  • Publisher Problems: Tough business to make money, ad landscape has changed
  • Revenue-based Solutions: People don’t update/upgrade their tools elsewhere
  • Results: Businesses with inefficient tools, resources become rusted in place
  • Clicks and Revenue: Relies on effectively paying and retaining freelance writers
  • Mission: Waiting for check to pay rent? OutVoice positively impacts people’s lives
  • Paid or not on purpose? Reason is ancient, not automated/tiered invoice systems

 

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Quotes from Matt Saincome:

“The problem is very clear. It’s the way that content creators are paid for freelance work is stone-age-level bullshit. It’s nonsense. It shouldn’t be done this way.”

“People don’t get around to upgrading their tools elsewhere, and there’s these really intense inefficiencies that fester in their businesses.”

“OutVoice uses automation, CMS integration, and a more purpose-built invoicing solution.”

“If you have better tools, you’re going to like your co-workers a little bit more. You’re going to like your job a little bit more.”

Dec 14, 2021

Does your business have a presence on YouTube? Maybe it does not show much value or potential for it. YouTube may not be the best fit for the products and services that your business sells. How can you create content on YouTube to not miss opportunities to reach potential customers? 

Today’s guest is Adrian Lurie from Dragonfruit Media, a video marketing agency that specializes in working with businesses and creators specifically on YouTube. He explains why your business should be on YouTube and how to drive measurable business growth from it. 

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • YouTube Marketing: How to drive real, meaningful business growth
  • Still skeptical? Video content marketing proof:
    • 50% of Internet users look for videos on product/service before visiting store
    • Video is 50 times more likely to get organic page ranks than plain text
    • Landing pages with embedded videos have 20-30% higher conversion rates
  • YouTube Statistics:
    • Second most visited web site (#1 is Google)
    • Third most visited search engine
    • Second largest social media site (#1 is Facebook)
  • Roadblocks: Slow down, establish trust to drive measurable growth, make impact
  • 3 Content Categories: Discoverable, community focused, conversion focused
  • Engagement/Impression Metrics: Profitable action on YouTube to make purchase
  • Why be on YouTube? To align video content with business goals from the start
  • 4-step audience-focused content process:
    • Take persona view
    • Develop value proposition
    • Create content categories
    • Come up with video concept

 

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Quotes from Adrian Lurie:

“Video is clearly a centerpiece of all online content and is becoming only more and more of such.”

“The nature of video is highly emotional and it engages more sensory perception than any other media.”

“Search your competitors on YouTube. At least one of them probably has a successful YouTube channel. They’re doing it and you’re not. They’re beating you.”

“Anyone can grow on YouTube. You have a million content marketers or SEO experts who all have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and they are all saying the same exact thing.”

Dec 7, 2021

Marketers are creative people that tend to have a lot of ideas. So why is coming up with ideas when content creators, marketers, and problem solvers need them most is so difficult? There are a lot of reasons, but also a lot of simple solutions. 

Today’s guest is Melanie Deziel, Director of Content at Foundation Inc. and author of The Content Fuel Framework. Melanie breaks down flawed assumptions about creativity in content and marketing and shares practical tips and processes to replace those assumptions to think more creatively and create better content.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Content Fuel Framework: System helps come up with creative content ideas
  • Ideation: Why is it difficult for marketers to resolve problems, lack processes
  • Creativity Constraints: Systems, guardrails, processes enable genius moments
  • Step 1: Stop thinking of content idea as single thing that is completely undefined
  • Step 2: Bring focus and format (i.e., article, video) to life and more organized
  • Outcomes: Content ideas become renewable resource, not limited supply

 

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Quotes from Melanie Deziel:

The Content Fuel Framework is essentially a system that you can use to tap into your creativity when you need to come up with content ideas.”

“We are much more creative, much more productive, and much more efficient when we have some level of organization around the way we approach coming up with content ideas.”

“Stop thinking of content idea as a single thing that is completely undefined. It has parameters.”

“Creativity just seems so inherently unstructured that it’s like sacrilege to suggest that we put some limitations on it to help us get there.”

Nov 30, 2021

In 2011, Google introduced the term, Zero Moment of Truth (ZMOT), also known as the moment that a consumer decides to research a product or service online before they enter a store or contact a business. A lot has changed since Google conducted that research and published the ZMOT ebook. Now, it’s normal behavior and what consumers do online before deciding to make a purchase. 

Today’s guest is Paul Mackiewicz, CEO and Founder of #Smart Marketing. He talks about how to hack consumer behavior using ZMOT. Businesses and marketers often overlook small details in their overall online presence that add up to a big difference between who wins or loses. Stay on the winning side by understanding when and where ZMOT happens for your customers. 

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Ebook: Explains how increased access to information impacts buying decisions
  • 3-Step Marketing Process: Awareness, experience, and compare product/service
  • Business Directory/Review Management Systems: Convert eyeballs to invoices
  • Control Messaging/Ratings: First impressions are everything in most industries
  • ZMOT Concept: Who you choose based off your emotional reaction to info online
  • Build Business Persona: If you could be any celebrity online, who would you be?
  • Big Business Benefits: Foot traffic is less and people like to look and buy online
  • Getting Started: Claim Google, Yelp business listings, and get pro pics and tools
  • Future of Marketing: Know, like, and trust small businesses to do your marketing

 

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Quotes from Paul Mackiewicz:

“The best way really to conceptualize what ZMOT is, is just how our access to information through increased technology has changed how we get to that final decision-making process.”

“It’s very difficult to get eyeballs on your business, and what these directories and these review sites and social media allow you to do is quickly convert eyeballs to invoices.”

“Synergy - it’s a big thing with digital marketing, but I think a lot of marketing companies don’t talk about it enough and I think a lot of businesses don’t consider it enough.”

“It’s only going to become more and more important as foot traffic becomes less of a determiner - determination factor - for buying decisions.”

Nov 23, 2021

What is and constitutes interactive content that resonates? Is interactive content part of your business strategy? It’s not something that every brand does, but it represents a way that content and sales enablement has been done in the past to create experiences that better serve potential customers than static content.

Today’s guest is Isabelle Papoulias, CMO/Vice President of Marketing at Mediafly, where she oversees all of Mediafly's marketing efforts and works with its sales and business development teams to ensure continuous growth. She shares insights on how to break the sales and marketing mold using interactive content.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Animated vs. Interactive: Mediafly makes clear distinction between two types
  • Interactive Content: Navigation helps create constant customer experience
  • Correct Content Usage: Helps marketers/sellers understand buyer behavior
  • Common Content Types: Case studies, product demos, and success stories
  • Site Analytics: Be better prepared for next interaction and serve relevant content
  • Getting Started: Pick one content asset of huge strategic importance to company
  • CLOSE Method: Challenge, Loss, Opportunity, Solution, Evidence for storytelling
  • Scale Up: Improve, apply interactive content to other pieces, platforms, people
  • Interactive Content Creation Tools: Mediafly, Reprise, and content agencies

 

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Quotes from Isabelle Papoulias:

“Interactive content is content that allows for navigation that helps create a very constant experience for the buyer, ultimately.”

“It’s interactivity of the service of creating a highly engaging and custom consumption experience that really meets the needs of the buyer.”

“Not only does it make for a more enjoyable experience, but I think in a remote world especially, there is an aspect of edutainment.”

“So much of the buyer journey now is digital without a live person, without a rep that I know I’m definitely feeling the pressure of content needing to, call it, sell harder on its own.”

Nov 16, 2021

When customers leave negative reviews or complain about a brand or business on the internet, they just want to be heard, express their frustration, and want some sort of resolution. Businesses that take the time to reach out to unsatisfied customers can make things right. But how can they do that consistently and at scale? 

Today’s guest is Dave Lehman, President and COO at Birdeye, a platform that allows local businesses to collect reviews, run surveys, and get referrals to better engage with customers. Dave talks about how businesses should make online reputation management a top priority and do it the right way.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Birdeye Survey Guide - 2021 State of Experience Marketing:
    • 57% view reputation management as more important than advertisements
    • 88% believe there’s a direct connection between reputation and revenue
  • Birdeye: Helps businesses grow, attract, and convert new/existing customers
  • Buyer Behavior: Shift from content to trusting shared customer experiences
  • Reputation Management: Ignoring it is missing out on customer opportunities
  • What are you looking/searching for? Relevancy, distance, and prominence
  • Automation and Democratization: Make it easy for everybody to leave a review
  • Digital Connection: Engage, respond, and listen to people on preferred platforms
  • Indicators: Set goals, select metrics, and measure progress to drive improvement
  • Mistakes: Marketers avoid responding to reviews and don’t ask all for reviews

 

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Quotes from Dave Lehman:

“Most people will skip the first three ads or whatever. It’s almost become default behavior.”

“When somebody lands on your site, again, what are the conversion rates like? Are they getting that first taste of a real good experience themself when they start engaging your brand?”

“If you’re looking for that prominence as a business, it’s all about two things - review count and review score.”

“It’s got to be super easy to engage with you as a business.”

Nov 9, 2021

What do people say and think about your brand online? It carries much more weight with potential customers than your own marketing messaging. Always responding to negative comments and reviews are opportunities for service-based marketers to turn haters and detractors back into customers and brand loyalists.

Today’s guest is Michael Buzinski from Buzzworthy Integrated Marketing. He talks about why reputation management matters and how to make it right. The shortcut to good reputation management is awesome customer service. Under promise. Over deliver.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Reputation Management: Opinion of the general public about you/your company
  • Reviews/Recommendations: Who do you trust - family members or strangers?
  • Service-based Businesses: Getting new clients to know, like, trust is challenging
  • Negative Comments/Complaints: Don’t take them personally, but seriously
  • Same Situation, Different Opinion: Customer isn’t always right - understand why
  • Positive Reviews: Systemize, automate, or incentivize reputation management
  • Customer Scores: Do satisfaction, service, retention scores make an impact?
  • Common Mistakes: Don’t be too zealous or pushy, or you lose loyalty, advocacy

 

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Quotes from Michael Buzinski:

“What strangers have to say about you and your company literally has more weight than what your mom says about you.”

“People hire people. They don’t hire features. They don’t hire benefits. They hire the person to deliver those features and benefits.”

“Seven out of 10 people will complain before they praise.”

“The new way, one of the best ways to utilize reputation management is getting video testimonials on your website.”

Nov 2, 2021

Setting aggressive marketing growth goals can be intimidating. Some marketers set the bar too low and try to achieve goals that seem impressive but decline year after year. Marketers want to help their organizations succeed but also set accurate expectations for stakeholders.

Today’s guest is Darrell Amy, author of Revenue Growth Engine. He talks about how marketers can easily set, accelerate, and achieve ambitious and aggressive marketing growth goals to succeed.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Darrell’s Elevator Pitch: Hit growth goals by aligning sales and marketing
  • Revenue Growth: Make sure engine is firing on all cylinders to reach goals
  • What drives revenue growth? Net new customers, revenue per customer
  • Realistic Revenue Growth: Cross sell to reach aggressive 100% sold goal
  • Business to Business (B2B): Know ideal client to know ideal prospects
  • Outbound Marketing Mindset: What to do to get on radar, engage ideal prospects
  • Aggressive Metric: Aim for 100% coverage for net new, cross sell engagement
  • Marketing Automation System: How many, when, where did prospects engage?
  • Ambitious vs. Achievable: Gauge overpromising, under delivering, playing it safe
  • Onboarding Process: First 100 days sets relationship status within community
  • Fail Forward: Explain what/why it happened and factors involved to fix outcomes
  • Key Performance Indicators (KPIs): How are they connected to revenue?

 

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Quotes from Darrell Amy:

“I am passionate about helping companies hit their growth goals, specifically by aligning sales and marketing to achieve those goals.”

“When sales and marketing are not aligned, it really slows everything down.”

“You can drive a lot of revenue with an audience where you already have permission to communicate with them.”

“One of the most important cylinders in your revenue growth engine is really considering the onboarding process.”

Oct 26, 2021

How can content marketing and product marketing teams have different goals and responsibilities, but still work together to achieve incredible results and help their companies grow?

Today’s guest is Yaag Ganesh from Avoma, a leading management, collaboration, and AI assistant platform. Yaag talks about how content and product marketing teams can best collaborate and work together toward shared objectives to drive top performance.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Roles and Responsibilities: Depends on size of organization
  • Product Features: Ensure customer awareness and adoption
  • Content Friction: Are you writing for the customer, prospect, or bot?
  • Consequences: Content experience brings people closer or further from brand
  • Brand Impact: What and whose problem are you solving? Seek and gain clarity
  • Common Goals: Consider entire journey to fill in gaps, achieve cohesive results
  • Team Sport: Speak same language to understand and align culture, purpose

 

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Quotes from Yaag Ganesh:

“As the companies grow bigger and you start scaling each of those functions, I think product marketing tends to take ownership of how you execute the positioning side of things.”

“It is still collective responsibility of both these teams to ensure that the communication -  anything that goes on the website - is aligned to what the company stands for.”

“With every of these touchpoints, people are either coming towards your brand or they’re getting deflected away.”

“Your products can change. The problems that you’re solving can change, but the fundamental belief system needs to be aligned.”

Oct 19, 2021

Great content marketing can come from great storytelling. Who better to tell great stories than journalists? Marketers can learn from journalists how to create content that resonates with people through the power of storytelling. 

Today’s guest is Ben Worthen, CEO of Message Lab, which combines journalism, data, and design to help organizations create content that resonates with real people. Ben discusses valuable insights for anyone interested in creating content that matters by combining journalistic storytelling techniques with data and design.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Marketers: Be skilled storytellers to reach out to people about what matters most
  • Modern Marketing: Takes advantage of times when people don't want to buy
  • Storytelling Problems: Why content marketers miss the mark with storytelling
  • People’s Patience: Half of them leave content piece before the 15-second mark
  • Journalists vs. Marketers: You don't have to be a journalist to tell a great story
  • Empathy, Sympathy, and Authenticity: What readers need from marketers
  • What’s the problem? People care about the experience, not a company’s product
  • Listen and Learn: Take time to talk about ideas with others to get their opinions
  • Storytelling Skills: Uplevel by knowing data, information to make better decisions

 

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Quotes from Ben Worthen:

“As there's so much choice about what you choose to pay attention to, what you don't want to pay attention to, when you want to pay attention to one thing, and when you get to pay attention to another, it's more important to be able to reach people with things that they care about.”

“People are biologically programmed to want to pay attention to a good story. It's something that goes back to when we all lived in caves and sat around the fire.”

“If you want to broaden your reach, if you want to have more influence, if you want to break out of a sales-only moment in time where you can have a meaningful interaction with someone, stories are the way to do it.”

“When we think about the coolest experiences that we've had, they tend to be experiences that someone has created for us. Those are things that we tend to share with people.”

Oct 12, 2021

Great work starts with great workflows. How do the best product marketing teams structure their workflows? 

Today’s guest is Sergey Sundukovskiy, Co-Founder, CTO, and Chief Product Officer (CPO) at Salesmsg. Sergey talks about how to develop successful product marketing workflows and processes.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Why product marketers should document, structure defined workflows/processes
  • SalesMsg: How company views product marketing and management all together
  • Product Management Stages: Ideation, collaboration, construction, and transition
  • Repeatability: Work is always the same; improves orchestration between parties
  • Product Marketing Debt: Things are just simply going to eventually slow down
  • Too many tools? Use depends on purpose and internal/external communication
  • Accountability: CPO is responsible for templates documenting workflow/process
  • Outcome/Result: Software adopted by existing customers should be measured

 

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Quotes from Sergey Sundukovskiy:

“We look at product management in four stages. It’s the ideation, collaboration, construction, and transition.”

“The improvement in repeatability as well as the work orchestration between multiple parties is always the same.”

“At SalesMsg, product marketing is focused on existing customers, and marketing all together is focused on prospects and leads.”

“Execution on the product marketing side becomes a competitive advantage.”

Oct 5, 2021

For SaaS companies, onboarding emails help establish long-term relationships with customers to understand and effectively use software tools. Yet, onboarding processes and email copy are often overlooked. The best way to learn what customers need is to talk to them. 

Today’s guest is Samar Owais, SaaS and eCommerce email expert. She talks about everything you need to know to make onboarding emails an effective part of your customer acquisition and retention strategy. Samar’s advice on how to talk to customers and identify their pain points can apply to any marketer.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Why are onboarding emails important? Shows how to use tool to solve problem
  • Onboarding Emails: Take pressure off customer support and set expectations
  • Biggest Mistakes: Don’t hide branding, create copy that starts conversations
  • Map Email Journey: What is the purpose of an onboarding email sequence?

 

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Quotes from Samar Owais:

“Until and unless your users are not using your app, it doesn't matter whether they're paying for it or not. You are failing at the one thing that you were set out to do, which is solve the problem.”

“We need to onboard with retention in mind.”

“Email is often used as a marketing tool, but it is a communication tool.”

“Email journey is an entire ecosystem. For SaaS companies, you need to map out every customer touch point and then just focus on them.”

Sep 28, 2021

Marketers struggle with the fear of focusing on the right things and doing things the wrong way. However, there are ways to use, gather, and apply data to get on the right path to generate a return. 

Today’s guest is Carolyn Lowe, Founder and CEO at ROI Swift and author of Business Growth Do’s and Absolute Don’ts. Carolyn talks about how to use the right data to make the right decisions.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Paid Platforms: Amazon, Facebook make a profit and ad dollars go up in flames
  • Margins for Error: Marketers have more leeway at big businesses hiring experts
  • Isolation vs. Network: Compare performance to know if you’re missing something
  • Self-Doubt: Lack of confidence can corrode team’s ability to be successful
  • eCommerce/Marketing Strategy: Test, iterate, tweak to measure and manage
  • Business Growth Book: Get basics right and scale core values for positive path
  • Brands: How are you different? Break through noise to sell a story, sell a product
  • Quantitative/Qualitative Research: Get to know your customer base via surveys
  • Best Metrics: Prove what marketers are doing is working or not to be profitable

 

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Quotes from Carolyn Lowe:

“I like the idea of outsourcing the expertise when you’re small because you can’t know everything.”

“When you’re always self-doubting, it’s really hard to move forward. We used to always say, ‘If you can measure it, you can manage it.’”

“I’m all about test, iterate, and tweak.”

“It starts and ends with the customer.”

Sep 21, 2021

What do marketing leaders and teams need to know about gender equity in the workplace? Make it a priority to be a great communicator, highly effective, and flexible to drive change.

Today’s guest is Ashley McManus, Senior Director of Global Marketing at Smart Eye. She is a tech startup marketing leader with extensive expertise in inbound marketing. Her thoughtful branding and organized approach to execution resulted in acquiring the tech startup, Affectiva.

Ashley is able to break down challenges, come up with creative solutions, and drive results quickly within budget. She combines strategic thinking with tactical execution, analyzing problems, and identifying steps to results by being adaptive and resourceful.

Also, Ashley designs strategies for tech companies to position them as industry thought leaders. She does this by deliberately creating high-quality content that resonates with their target audience and is in line with their vision.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Equity vs. Equality: What’s the difference and distinction between genders?
  • Imbalances: Promote gender equality by empowering women to be equal
  • COVID Impact: Why gender equity in the workplace is a concern for everyone
  • Diversity of Views: Output isn’t as helpful when everyone looks/thinks same way
  • Marketing Role: Customer targeting and company representation, reputation
  • Positive Benefits and Negative Effects: People talk, culture misfits, and churn
  • What can women do to get unstuck? Who do they talk to be hired and promoted?
  • Gender equity from the ground up:
    • Create inclusive hiring practices
    • Simplify job requirements
    • Don’t ask for salary history
    • Candidates should meet diverse interview panel
    • Build enabling human resources department
    • Allow autonomy to be accountable (flexible hours, remote work, etc.)
    • Give recognition, encourage visibility, and advocate for yourself

 

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Quotes from Ashley McManus:

“Equality between men and women, it doesn’t mean that men and women have to become the same. But it’s just that their rights, responsibilities, opportunities, they don’t depend on whether they are born male or female.”

“Gender equity - that means fairness. Fairness of treatment for men and women according to their respective needs.”

“Equity really leads to equality.”

“Women are responsible for, I think, 70 to 80 percent of customer purchasing.”

Sep 14, 2021

It’s smart to organize content when you have a core piece of pillar content linked to several smaller pieces covering sub-topics around your main topic. Also, it’s about knowing what to include in a topic cluster and how to organize information within a hub-and-spoke content model.

Today’s guest is Skyler Reeves from Ardent Growth, a content intelligence consultancy. Building out topic clusters can be expensive, especially when mistakes are made. How much time and resources does it take to produce multiple pieces to make something like the hub-and-spoke model work the first time around?

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • How to use content intelligence to create better topic clusters
  • Content Intelligence: Intersection between content strategy, business intelligence
  • Marketers should care about topic modeling when building topic clusters
  • Tedious Topic Process: Takes time if marketers don’t start with parent keywords
  • Content Value: Where should marketers prioritize things to get the most value?
  • Budget: Two ways to do things—do them right or do them again
  • Data and Decisions: Go with gut feeling and/or accurate data to make decisions
  • Current Constraints: Does business need more awareness? Sales material?
  • Tools: There’s things they can't do that you want them to do, so create your own
  • Conversion Data: Where it is going to take a minimal amount of effort to get ROI
  • Problems: Avoid wasting time, energy, and budget by creating a bunch of content

 

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Quotes from Skyler Reeves:

“Something we're constantly trying to do is figure out ways to simplify things for everyone with the way they do their work, so they can get it done faster and more accurately.”

“We want to know about the content before we actually go to make those decisions. You can think of it as a precursor or an overarching theme to content strategy and content marketing.”

“How do you know what the perfect hub is? How do you know when something needs to be part of hub A or part of hub B, especially when you're trying to rank these things on search engines?”

“One of the easiest, quick ways to solve cannibalization without having to rely on your gut - just go look at what Google's telling you.”

Sep 7, 2021

Chief marketing officers (CMOs) typically only stay with a company for only 24-25 months. That type of turnover at the top level of marketing departments is not good for marketers in leadership roles or with leadership aspirations.  

Today’s guest is Mark Donnigan, a marketing consultant. He talks about why CMOs need to think more like business strategists to better connect where marketing fits into the big picture within your organization rather than thinking about marketing as a set of tactics that are separate from what the rest of the business is doing.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Why marketing leaders need to understand the business objectives
  • Gartner: Average buyer over 50% through buying journey before making contact
  • MBA Playbook: Where CMOs go wrong by following a concrete buying cycle
  • Solution: Spend time with CEO to connect with company’s strategy and revenue
  • Attribution: Avoid ROI issues by shifting from cost center to revenue perspective
  • Pitfalls: When marketing leaders focus more on building, not understanding skills
  • No Excuses: Marketing leaders need to be business-aware, business-oriented

 

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Quotes from Mark Donnigan:

“No longer is it sufficient in today’s fragmented buyer journey to just basically build your whole program around a nice funnel.”

“The average B2B buyer was...over 50% of the way through their buying journey before they even contacted the first vendor.”

“You have the marketing tools to execute. There’s no need to go to another marketing seminar, another martech seminar. Instead, spend time with the CEO.”

“To be able to contribute in a sales meeting, you better know about the business.”

Aug 31, 2021

How well do most CMOs know their CIO or IT director? Not as well as they should. It’s important for marketers to build strong relationships with their technical teams to achieve marketing success.

Today’s guest is Theresa O’Neil, CMO of Zylo, a SaaS management platform. She talks about what and why CMOs and marketing leaders need to navigate side by side with IT to get the most from their technology, to make sure they're not bleeding their martech stack budget, and to ensure that they're collectively driving the most ROI possible.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Marketers: Use the right tools to get the right jobs done for the right people
  • How many SaaS applications does the average company purchase? A lot
  • How many of those SaaS applications are not actually being used? A lot
  • Marketing creates pipelines so sales can close deals and generate revenue
  • Win-Win: Marketing and IT team up to make people happy, effective, productive
  • Shadow IT: Marketing and IT collaborate and crowdsource selected software
  • Goals and Objectives: How to build a bridge between marketing and IT
  • Technology is great when it works, but who fixes the problem when it doesn’t? IT
  • Maintain and grow lifecycle mentality by putting technology, processes in place

 

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Quotes from Theresa O’Neil:

“In marketing, to do a great job, you need the right tools, and it's never been more important than it is now.”

“The average company has over 600 SaaS applications. Most of them, IT doesn't know about.”

“38% of licenses go unused every month. Just think about it. If you could reclaim 38% of your tech budget, for a marketer, that could absolutely be found money that you could use for a new initiative, or program, or something else that can really help you meet your goals.”

“By partnering together and making those employees happy and productive, you're also making sure you're not wasting budget.”

Aug 24, 2021

What does email automation look like, how does it work, and what are its benefits? Discover how to grow, scale, and mature by owning and not making the same mistakes.

Today’s guest is Jeremiah Utecht, Lead on Marketing Automation and Business Intelligence at CoSchedule. He takes the mystery out of marketing automation and makes it work.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Jeremiah’s Role: Build, maintain, and refine CoSchedule’s email marketing
  • CoSchedule’s Mission: Send the right email to the right person at the right time
  • Happy Anniversary! Marketing automation message triggered by attribute/context
  • Marketing Automation Internally: Means most relevant content at relevant time
  • Successful Multi-Channels: Website customization and email for CoSchedule
  • Clever or sophisticated? Trial-and-error process for practices/platforms that work
  • Automation Attributes: Anything is possible with simple and flexible forms
  • Oops! Emails: Marketing automation at scale is an incredibly unforgiving practice
  • Communication and Confidence: Freeze, validate, test, isolate, fix error, move on
  • Data Manipulation: Start small, create email list, and capitalize on investment
  • Benefits: Marketing automation is data driven, use tools to try and test emails

 

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Quotes from Jeremiah Utecht:

“Marketing automation at CoSchedule seeks to always send the right email to the right person at the right time.”

“The irony of my job is that it’s more about not sending certain emails and saying, ‘No,’ a lot than it is actually blasting things out.”

“Marketing automation is triggering marketing content messaging based on an attribute, a context.”

“As a rule, being super clever almost always blows up in your face.”

Aug 17, 2021

Do you create great content for an awesome business but still find it challenging to be found on the internet? Building relationships with the right partners can build your audience by getting in front of the audiences of others.

Today’s guest is Brett McGrath, Vice President of Marketing at The Juice, a content distribution platform for B2B content. It’s like Spotify, but for business content. Brett shares how to develop content partnerships to launch ambitious new companies.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Content Collaboration: Takes time and effort to work the correct way
  • Priority #1: Meet people and have conversations with them
  • Learn Two Things: If marketing messages resonate, what’s on marketers’ minds
  • Podcast: Having a show helps build partnerships and talk about passion projects
  • Mutual Benefits: Build relationships to create, present, share, and add value
  • Mindset and Philosophy: Launch product and company with people
  • Biggest Win: Streamlining content process to create content with social proof
  • Where to Meet/What to Say: Be comfortable and confident in social communities
  • Podcast Practice: Ask questions, facilitate feedback, and promote people/brands

 

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Quotes from Brett McGrath:

“When I joined The Juice, priority #1 was meet people and just have conversations.”

“Reach out to people and do it in a way that is authentic and natural in building partnerships.”

“We, as B2B marketers, need to move away from me-centered marketing or marketing for our own KPIs and our metrics or what our bosses want.”

“Find the places where people want to go and learn and are like-minded and find ways to engage.”

Aug 10, 2021

Marketers understand the value of search engine optimization (SEO), but they need to clearly communicate why it matters to get buy-in from executives, stakeholders, and clients.

Today’s guest is Eli Schwartz, a consultant and growth advisor. Also, he is the author of Product-Led SEO, a new book that describes how to communicate the value of SEO and think strategically and philosophically about SEO to be successful.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • What motivated Eli to write the book? Explain to leaders how to do SEO sensibly
  • Sweet Spot: Start SEO when spending at least $1-2 million on paid marketing
  • Disparity: How much is your company spending on paid marketing versus SEO?
  • Big Problem: SEO blackboxes things and mystifies it intentionally with metrics
  • Metrics vs. Outcomes: SEO is about speaking the same language, not keywords
  • Big Budget: Put money in to produce content, create product, and make a profit
  • Big Consequence: Prioritize SEO or continue to fall behind business competitors
  • SEO Do’s and Don’ts: Focus on content but not allocate enough resources
  • Monetary Value: Clearly communicate what you need and why to impact ROI
  • SEO Standpoint: Create content from a product perspective for user engagement
  • Priorities: Base SEO on users, not search volume/traffic, to get biggest benefits
  • Leaders don't need to understand SEO, but they need to know the outcomes
  • Recipe for Success/Failure: Create product, product flops, and ideas don’t work

 

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Quotes from Eli Schwartz:

“I am a huge fan of not creating any sort of content unless you know that there are users that will consume it, it makes sense for users, and it will end up converting.”

“If you don't do SEO, then your competitors move ahead of you. If you don't do the right SEO, you just lose your entire investment. But that's not the way most people think of it.”

“Social media is a little bit lower in the funnel. I think paid marketing is at the bottom of the funnel. Brand marketing is potentially higher in the funnel than SEO. Make them all work together and that's where SEO will be the most profitable.”

“They don't need to understand how SEO works. What they do need to understand are the outcomes, and the work that's going to be done, and of course, the investment that's going to be made.”

Aug 3, 2021

Too much marketing is based on guesses not backed by data. Paid tactics, like pay-per-click (PPC) and social media advertising, can burn through your budget when guesses are wrong. How can you use data to make marketing more predictable to forecast performance and adjust to shifts in trends to increase your ROI?

Today’s guest is John Readman from BOSCO, a digital analytics and predictive modeling platform for retailers and eCommerce companies. He discusses what it takes for predictable marketing to be successful. It involves understanding historical data, performance, and trends across a client's channels.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • What is predictable marketing? Getting all data in one place on an ongoing basis
  • Why should marketers make decisions driven by data, not gut instinct/intuition?
  • Data and Decisions: Depend on volume, understanding data to base decisions
  • Challenges: Digital marketing data is used to scale ROI in one particular channel
  • COVID Comparisons: Causal effect of supply and demand during the pandemic
  • BOSCO: Helps marketers predict future w/ machine learning, Bayesian statistics
  • Out-of-Date Numbers: Forecasting runs scenarios, planning, and model analysis
  • Different Data Sources: Connect platforms to quickly predict what could be done
  • Wasted Budget? Run and identify data models that are hugely, scarily accurate
  • Two Key Metrics: Cost per acquisition and understanding that by channel
  • Clients/Conversations: People make decisions emotionally, justify them with data
  • Control: People get nervous about not doing things the traditional way
  • Predictive Analytics Platform/Practice: Get buy-in by leading conversation with potential results, starting small, and using data to quantify progress and success

 

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Quotes from John Readman:

“If we've got the right data in the right format, and we understand what is going on around certain targets, what makes it predictable is understanding the metrics and the outputs we are trying to achieve.”

“Fundamentally, why do people need to make data-driven decisions to really explain where they're spending their money, where are they getting their ROI, and then how can they scale it?”

“It all starts with getting all your data organized in one place, then looking at what I am willing to pay to acquire a customer, and then maybe looking at customer lifetime value.”

“The thing to stand out will be a better proposition, a better product, and a better promotion, which is sort of the traditional marketing going around in a full circle.”

Jul 27, 2021

Great content doesn't happen by accident. It's usually a byproduct of refined processes that help teams work together efficiently and effectively. However, planning editorial workflows and implementing content creation processes can be challenging.

Today’s guest is Justin Zimmerman from Salesmsg. Justin talks about how marketing teams can develop and implement editorial workflows and content creation processes to create better content.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Creative Control: Why marketers should create editorial workflows for content
  • Four Cs: Collaboration, connection, creative control, and compensation
  • Flow State: Focus on the process and the results will show up
  • Neurological Map: Goal in world of workflow is to align teams for higher purpose
  • State of Enjoyment: You have 3 places you live—work, home, and inside yourself
  • Start Right: Avoid potential pitfalls, pain by having workflow process for outcomes
  • Lessons Learned: Listen and do something to not repeat the same mistakes
  • Continually Improve: You can't have a sense of progress without a process
  • Content Team Roles: At minimum—a writer, designer, and project manager
  • CoSchedule: Tool that separates chaos from clarity
  • Person at the Helm: Make sure work gets done, but it doesn’t mean you do it
  • Four Ps: Purpose, people, process, and product
  • Context Switch: Too many tools, channels, and notifications lead to distraction
  • Complicated vs. Simple: Basic elements of workflow/work management process
  • Mistakes Made: Start small, take it slow; workflows are change and require change management

 

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Quotes from Justin Zimmerman:

“Self-reflection and experience really allow me to look at the word process not as a dirty word, but as a way to align teams.”

“Flow state is, I think, the ultimate outcome of teams working together towards a common goal and feeling that sense of higher purpose.”

“I think words matter because they give an indication of the actions that follow them.”

“Workflow is the way that connects where we are today with the progress and results that we want.”

Jul 20, 2021

Do you believe in the power of personal video in video outreach or do you remain skeptical? If a pitch for something isn’t interesting on its own, how will a video that takes longer to watch than reading a simple email grab your attention and sway your opinion?

Today’s guest is David Jay, founder of Warm Welcome, a personal video platform. Discover the value of video, how video can be used, and its full potential by making business communication that scales and creates personal conversations and human connections.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • Use Cases: Supercharge outreach, make website welcoming, improve onboarding flows, lead generation, and sales
  • Videos: Personalized versus personal - David describes the differences
  • Do’s/Don’ts: How to make a video worth watching to solve someone’s problem
  • Mindset: Business is built on trust, and trust is built through relationships
  • Instant Video Connection: Talk to humans - nobody wants to talk to chatbots
  • Emotion or Information? People buy and sell things online to other people
  • Improve ROI: Measure and track customers’ loyalty, evangelism, engagement

 

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Quotes from David Jay:

“Video can be personalized or it can just be personal. There’s kind of different directions you can go with it.”

“There's a lot of ways to use video in our business.”

“The first thing not to do is don’t think of it selfishly. Don’t think of it as a way to get what you want. Every sales and marketer, we’re guilty of this.”

“I think business is built on trust, and trust is built through relationships.”

Jul 13, 2021

Audience growth - whether in the context of social media followers, email list, podcast listeners, or YouTube subscribers - whatever the case may be, it's easy to believe that more is always better.

Today’s guest is Matt Johnson, author of MicroFamous: Become Famously Influential to the Right People. Also, Matt is the founder of a podcast PR agency, Pursuing Results, and host of the MicroFamous podcast. He talks about how to be micro-famous with the right people and learn to grow as an influencer within a given niche.

 

Some of the highlights of the show include:

  • MicroFamous: Be famously influential, but not to everyone, just the right people
  • Focused Approach: Reorient strategy to grow smaller but better following
  • Benefits: Expect to drive better results by attracting just the right people
  • What People Want: To working with the #1 name that solve their problems
  • Who’s the right person? Until you know, you don't know what content to create
  • Audiences want clarity and focus; put content into the world without shouting
  • Wave of the Future: Know who to talk to, identify correct niche to focus on
  • Who are the right people? The most valuable, open-minded, and influential
  • First or Only: Uncover clear, compelling idea that appeals to a given audience
  • Three Stages of Influence: Get seen, get noticed, and get known
  • Practice What You Preach: Share what you do, be featured, build name for self

 

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Quotes from Matt Johnson:

“When I go to an industry conference, it's full of my ideal people. I absolutely want everybody there to know who I am. That's really what it means to be MicroFamous.”

“If you're not number one, you're facing an uphill battle.”

“You want to be famously influential, but not to everyone, just to the exact right people.”

“The thing that generated sales was delivering the exact right content that the right people cared deeply about and it resonated with them.”

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